Interesting

[Lee Phillips (Leep)]

What do you all think of this movie?

[Javier Ariel Garza (Jag)]

Loved it -- it's the first movie that introduced me to the wonderful world of Dean Devlin, Roland Emmerich, Centropolis, and the 'holics. Stargate will ALWAYS be special in my heart. <BR> <BR>As for what I think of the movie itself. I enjoyed it too! In a class of its own. <BR> <BR>-=JAG!

[Will Finch (Shetan)]

I agree wholeheartedly with Jag! The DVD is super! It was the 2nd one I purchased after The Patriot. It IS one of my favorites, was very entertaining, and touched on the adventurer/explorer in all of us. Excellent film!

[Lee Phillips (Leep)]

That is good, very good. Keep going.

[Electric Goose (Egg)]

Indeed! My first too! I had won tickets to see Nell. My roomie was late getting home thus we were late getting up to the city. (frightening thing since he had a slight anger control problem). Nell had been on for 15 minutes by the time we got there. So, both of us being Sci Fi fans we opted for Stargate which was to start in 15 minutes thus giving us time to get a GIGANTIC bucket of popcorn. Which neither of us ate much of because we spent most of the movie with our jaws just hanging open. <BR> <BR>I was really taken with the background. I think "Douglas Hall's" apartment in "The Thirteenth Floor" had shades of "Stargate's" image.

[Will Finch (Shetan)]

And how about the 3 moons over the pyramid! What an excellent scene - put you like right there.

[Jennifer Gray (Maurine)]

I have always had mixed feelings about Stargate. On one hand I live it, and yet on the other I loathe it. <BR> <BR>Yet Honestly, what I dislike about it has nothing to do with casting, directing, screenplay, or anything else on the surface. <BR> <BR>On the surface, I see one of my favorite Centro productions, along with Universal Soldier, a movie that in many respects is to me more enjoyable than later centro flics. <BR> <BR>Here lies my one gripe...what Stargate portrayed about the Ancient Egyptian faith is in many respects nothing new...as anyone can atest to, that has read anything by Gram Hancock. <BR> <BR>This FAQ responce from the House of Netjer as to the question of wether Egyptian civillization either came from aliens or Atlantis sums up my feelings on the subject best. ;) <BR> <BR><A HREF="http://www.kemet.org/faq/FAQ-09.html" TARGET="_top">http://www.kemet.org/faq/FAQ-09.html</A> <BR> <BR>I will say without a doubt, that if not for my religious connections to the faith and culture that this film negatively portrayed, that it would have been one of my all time favorite films. Of course, it is sci.fi. <IMG SRC="http://www.electric-ent.com/bbs/clipart/happy.gif" ALT=":)"> <BR> <BR>I enjoyed how the film did so delicately introduce controversial views about how Egyptologists have percieved Egyptian history though...In particular, the age of the Pyramid and Sphinx(I do wonder who all else has read Gram Hancock books). <BR> <BR>This is also possibly one of the best movies to watch with sci.fi. buffs... You wouldn't believe the number of Ra pick-up lines and off the wall comments that can be rattled out in a ten minute period... <BR> <BR>I wonder if that was Dean and Rolands intent? <BR> <BR>I liked the costumes to a point... Found the sets to be quite pretty, and in particularly liked the curvy designs on both the stargate and even Ra's mask, the close-up in the beginning of the film... <BR> <BR>I enjoyed the storyline as a whole, just wish it wasn't bashing the KO faith.

[Agent Pat (Agentpat)]

Mo wrote: <BR> <BR>> (I do wonder who all else has read <BR>> Gram Hancock books) <BR> <BR>[Pat raises hand] I have, I have! ;o) <BR> <BR>Hancock and his colleagues have proposed a LOT of very eye-opening concepts and theories. While I think they've put their foot in their mouths more than once (heck, I do it on a daily basis), one thing IS clear: they've rocked the field of Egyptology and the study of ancient history in general. <BR> <BR>Unlike charlatans such as Von Däniken who present evidence in the form of specious and fallacious arguments, Hancock, West and Bauval have put forth some legitimate scientific questions based in modern geology, forensics, and of course, archaeology. <BR> <BR>For example, I have *yet* to see a logical explanation for the weathering evident on the Sphinx that is better than theirs: water - lots of it! I DON'T buy into the ancient astronaut foolishness, and I DON'T accept the paranormal mumbo jumbo some writers have used to explain ancient mysteries simply because there's no SCIENTIFIC *proof* to back-up any of that BS. BUT, it's hard to argue with geological erosion patterns. In this case, the evidence points to a Sphinx that's over 10,000 years old. Egyptologists are scoffing at the suggestion, but sooner or later, they're gonna have to entertain the theory because it's hard to contest. <BR> <BR>...ahem... Sorry. I know this thread was about Stargate. I just got carried away. I'll try not to let it happen again. ;o) <BR> <BR>[Watching from the bleachers, Sheri whispers to Fungus, "Yeah, riiiiiiight! And if you believe that one, I've got a pyramid to sell ya!"]

[Shogun Shitake (F_U_N_G_U_S)]

Thanks Pat. You answered a question I was going to ask (about that scientist guy who was full of bubkiss :]

[Sheri Gordon (Sheri)]

LOL *munching popcorn* <BR> <BR>This is better than science class EVER was. <IMG SRC="http://www.electric-ent.com/bbs/clipart/happy.gif" ALT=":)">

[Shogun Shitake (F_U_N_G_U_S)]

Oh, btw, Sheri, how much are you selling that pyramid for?

[Agent Pat (Agentpat)]

Which scientist guy? There's more than one out there. And there's even more who call themselves "scientists" but aint. ;o) <BR> <BR>I want a powder blue one Sher, if ya gots one in that flavor.

[Jennifer Gray (Maurine)]

Hey Pat, I have Gram Hancock's "Fingerprints of the Gods"... the funny part, who suggested me getting it was Yinepu(I was wondering of connections to both South American and Kemetic though). It has some very interesting theories in it, only one being that there just may have been some connection between both the South American and Ancient Egyptian cultures. My personal opinion, after having read the book and meditating on it's views, is that both hypothisis' he proposed are wrong... He left out one possibillity, which I recieved during meditaion. <BR> <BR>My personal theory on the connection between both ancient architecture as well as religion and thought are that in the end, all these concepts emerged from human beings.... that is their one great link. Regardless of where you are in the world, a chair is a chair, a table a table, a lamp a lamp... no one seems to realize that the same needs that brought all these inventions into being also brought religion, social structures, and other inventions into being as well. <BR> <BR>I personally think that it is the basic thinking and simillarity in human subconsciousness that accounts for the simmilarities of religion and other things in vaious cultures...even our dream symbolism is simillar. To deny that humanity, plain and simple, can come up with all these marvels is biggotry, as the House of Netjer states. <BR> <BR>As for the Sphynx, I do agree that the evidence seems to suggest it is older. But the Nisut made an interesting statement about the Great pyramid...according to Her studies, its orriginal casing stones were ellaborately decorated and painted....even Horoditus states this. <BR> <BR>Where I and several other House members differ greatly on our vievs is that we do feel that there just may have been more than a basic human evolution in thought connection between the Egyptian and South American cultures...I in particular recall Yinepu telling or showing me something as a child...something along the lines of a conflict or war, in which someone lost, and someone else won...the conflict was not of a physical sence. It had to do with South America, and had to do with my curiosity as to why they caniballized and performed human sacrifices. Perhaps, just perhaps, other worldly beings have been vying for our attention, and not all have had our best in mind. I think even Gram Hancock touched on this to an extent. Several other house members, in paricular, Yinepu kids, recall simmilar such feelings, as well as litteral past lives in both cultures.

[Will Finch (Shetan)]

I haven't read any Gram Hancock, but it sounds intrigueing. I agree with Pat on the water theory and the Sphynx. Stargate to me was first and foremost GREAT entertainment and the creativity was practically unparralled for its time.

[Shogun Shitake (F_U_N_G_U_S)]

Von Däniken, Pat. He's the one on every TLC Egypt special spewing forth cockamaimy things as outrageous as "I think the original egyptians were actually merfolk". :] <BR> <BR>well, not quite *that* cockamaimy, but he just pulls theories out of his behind it seems.

[Sheri Gordon (Sheri)]

uhh....what pyramids? <IMG SRC="http://www.electric-ent.com/bbs/clipart/happy.gif" ALT=":)">

[Agent Pat (Agentpat)]

Hey Mo. I didn't read "Fingerprints of the Gods," but from your post, I'm assuming Hancock proposed an explanation of unified cultures for the similarity between Egyptian and South American art and architecture? Yeah, he wouldn't be the first - or last. <BR> <BR>Your suggestion that the similarity could be more a direct result of the fact that we're all human, and humans have a tendency to duplicate images and concepts that have a naturally pleasing effect, could be true too. Can't argue with the theory. :o) <BR> <BR>Mounds and pyramids, which are incredibly stable, are a natural first step in building artificial structures designed to emulate mountains. So I can see non-related cultures coming up with the idea independent of one another. But, the fact that such structures appear in various Old and New World locations shouldn't be that much of a mystery since it has been established that a few prehistoric cultures made cross oceanic voyages long before there was a "Spain" to fund an obscure expedition in 1492. By analogy, Meso American peoples didn't just dream up funky looking animals with big ears and long tusks when they drew 'em on temples. Nah, somebody *saw* an elephant, and such knowledge got disseminated to the Americas over time. <BR> <BR>Hancock does go out on a limb here and there, but he has come up with a few interesting theories. IMO, he should focus on those and stop trying to sell books, which is what I think he's up to at this point. <BR> <BR>As for Von Däniken, you are sooo right Fungus. His pseudo science set archaeology back 200 years. There's nothing wrong with writing fiction, but identify it as such. There's a lot of very gullible people out there - most of whom were solely responsible for making Von Däniken rich! I do hope Hancock is not following in Von Däniken's footsteps.

[Jennifer Gray (Maurine) (216.112.140.161 - 216.112.140.161)]

Yeah.. That is probably one of the saddest things, how many people take this stuff as to be fact. Even Stargate has been passed off as fact by a lot of people, as has, of all things, The Mummy. There are a lot of people with absolutely no prior knowledge of ancient History, and so when they see one of these films, they have absolutely nothing to counteract it. So to me, it is no surprise that someone can take a handful of half facts, and print them up in a book, and pass it all off as fact. Heck, even religion does this, passing it's version off as the truth, and even going so far as to elliminate from the face of the earth all other conflicting truths. <BR> <BR>Perhaps our greatest loss is that we may never know what really happened with many of these cultures. As for Egypt, much of it's history was lost when the early Christians went in, murdered the priests, masacared village after village, and either flat out leveled temples or dismantled them and used them for their own building projects. Much of ancient Egyptian mythology is lost forever. Then the Muslim conquerers made it illegal to speak the lanuage, making the knowledge of how it was pronounced lost as well. And of course we all know of what a near total destruction of Myan and Aztec civilization was carried out by the Christian Monks and Conquistadors. <BR> <BR>What shames me, is it still goes on... <BR> <BR>Before the Talliban flew planes into the two twin towers and the Pentagon, they blew up two of the oldest statues of Buddah in the world, and no one seemed to care. One of the biggest fears of Egyptologists today is that if a group like the Talliban were to take over in Egypt, that they would destroy all that wasn't destroyed from their previous occupation, and the Christian one. <BR> <BR>And still another travesty, the actuall extermination of not only primitive cultures in South America, but the actual extermination of the peoples themselves. It seems Christian missionaries are still allowed to penitrate the jungles, in search or untouched Indian communities... they tend to not be so wise as to these people's lack of immunity for many of our illnesses, and accidentally whipe them out, without a care it seems(Discovery Channel doccumented the extermination of an entire culture of people...the Missionaries were oblivious to the murder they were carrying out, and just converted them as they died). :/ They go after the cheif priest and leader, and then their children, by doing so winning over all the community. What gripes the scientists more than anything is that in doing so, they convince them to leave behind all thier ancient herbal treatments, and thusly all the knowledge is lost with them as to how to treat diseases we may still be struggling to come up with cures for. <BR> <BR>It really gripes me, that as a planet, we have learned nothing, of what it is to respect those different from us, and let them be. We have gleemed nothing of what it is we have lost, because for the most part, most people are content in not knowing what it was that has been lost, and is still being lost. We seem perpetually content in our seperation, and in illusions we create as to why this should be, or should be allowed to continue. I believe that such destruction, and the suffering it brings will continue...which is a shame. I wonder who will win out in the end though, as only a few religious groups practice the extermination of both differing cultures, and to the extreeme, those cultures themselves... For none of these groups can agree as to which of themselves is the greatest of them all. <BR> <BR>There are many now who feel that the last world war will be a religious war, and it looks like we may be seeing the beginnings of the religious war. Which is a shame.

[Agent Pat (Agentpat) (24.128.196.213 - 24.128.196.213)]

Another tid-bit from the latest issue ("Year in Review") of Cinescape. This report is real though, unfortunately: <BR> <BR>"[In October 2001,] Los Angeles-based PorchLight Entertainment and the UK's Ferocious Films sealed a deal to create a dramatic TV series based on Erich Von Däniken's popular '70s book <I>Chariots of the Gods</I>." <BR> <BR>OY!!!!!!

[Shogun Shitake (F_U_N_G_U_S) (66.57.66.163 - 66.57.66.163)]

ahh, but are they going to market it specifically as Science Fantasy, or a pseudo documentary? <BR> <BR>and just where does he get off too? I've come up with just as much bubkiss as he has, and much more imaginative, and nobody's making a movie on my stuff :]

[Jennifer Gray (Maurine) (216.112.141.192 - 216.112.141.192)]

Fungus...most of the crap in TV that is sci.fi., as far as Egyptological issues, is passed off as documentary.. the "facts" that "proove the Exodus from Egypt", the "facts" that show there just may be a lost civilation, and where it could have been.... <BR> <BR>It goes on and on...everything from prooving popular myth in the most promenant religion, to prooving more favored theories as to lost civilizations. <BR> <BR>What is particularly disturbing, is that these documentaries seem to favor white, Judeo-Christian histories over the histories of other cultures. And moreso, they seem to favor the discolloration of histories of cultures that are non-white, by trying to place a preveously unknown white culture as their source. <BR> <BR>There are of course good programs out there, but unfortunately, the truth isn't often what sells, but rather what is popular. For example, it is a strong belief that both Psalms and Proverbs were at the very least inspired by Egyptian texts, Psalms came from letters sent out by Akhenaten, and Proverbs were orriginally wisdom texts written by Seti. Yet no one seems really anxious to break this to the public. <BR> <BR>But..if it bashes a previous non-white culture at the glory of a white one...now that is worthy of airing on TV. ;)

[Will Finch (Shetan) (24.88.105.132 - 24.88.105.132)]

Pass the popcorn. Ah, its a wonderful life. Especially getting to see that on TV last evening. *going to watch Stargate DVD again* and enjoy it!!!

[Richard Nelson (Xxdarksparcsxxx)]

Seems like once again, the "EDUCATED" folks continue to uneducate themselves with the very ignorance they post as thier own personal facts try to override those facts that govern the universe itself... <BR> <BR>[quote] <BR>Jennifer Gray (Maurine) (216.112.140.161 - 216.112.140.161) <BR> Friday, November 23, 2001 - 08:54 am <BR>-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- <BR>As for Egypt, much of it's history was lost when the early Christians went in, murdered the priests, masacared village after village, and either flat out leveled temples or dismantled them and used them for their own building projects. And of course we all know of what a near total destruction of Myan and Aztec civilization was carried out by the Christian Monks and Conquistadors. <BR> <BR>What shames me, is it still goes on... <BR> <BR>One of the biggest fears of Egyptologists today is that if a group like the Talliban were to take over in Egypt, that they would destroy all that wasn't destroyed from their previous occupation, and the Christian one. <BR> <BR>And still another travesty, the actuall extermination of not only primitive cultures in South America, but the actual extermination of the peoples themselves. It seems Christian missionaries are still allowed to penitrate the jungles, in search or untouched Indian communities... (Discovery Channel doccumented the extermination of an entire culture of people...the Missionaries were oblivious to the murder they were carrying out, and just converted them as they died). :/ They go after the cheif priest and leader, and then their children, by doing so winning over all the community. <BR>[/quote] <BR> <BR> <BR>[quote] <BR>Jennifer Gray (Maurine) Sunday, November 25, 2001 - 10:29 am <BR> <BR>What is particularly disturbing, is that these documentaries seem to favor white, Judeo-Christian histories over the histories of other cultures. And moreso, they seem to favor the discolloration of histories of cultures that are non-white, by trying to place a preveously unknown white culture as their source. <BR> <BR>There are of course good programs out there, but unfortunately, the truth isn't often what sells, but rather what is popular. For example, it is a strong belief that both Psalms and Proverbs were at the very least inspired by Egyptian texts, Psalms came from letters sent out by Akhenaten, and Proverbs were orriginally wisdom texts written by Seti. Yet no one seems really anxious to break this to the public. <BR> <BR>But..if it bashes a previous non-white culture at the glory of a white one...now that is worthy of airing on TV. ;) <BR>[/quote] <BR> <BR>It Seems this religiously altered person has an affination for Christians, Jews, Muslims, and especially White People. <BR> <BR>lol... wisdom? songs?... I believe that those expressions of mathematical commonality extend even beyond your boundary of understanding, as these things have been in existance since before what Scientists have labeled "the Big Bang"... <BR> <BR>you mention some interesting things in your post however; items I think that, before you contradict yourself any further pertaining to how those that you so obviously hold in derision for thier imperfections and inhumanities have acted, you should re-read for yourself. Perhaps the evident common language you share with these supposed scounderals will make itself plainly evident even for your own eyes to behold, and a new reality can possibly determine a higher personal quality of evident righteousness... <BR> <BR>[quote] <BR>It really gripes me, that as a planet, we have learned nothing, of what it is to respect those different from us, and let them be. We have gleemed nothing of what it is we have lost, because for the most part, most people are content in not knowing what it was that has been lost, and is still being lost. We seem perpetually content in our seperation, and in illusions we create as to why this should be, or should be allowed to continue. I believe that such destruction, and the suffering it brings will continue...which is a shame. I wonder who will win out in the end though, as only a few religious groups practice the extermination of both differing cultures, and to the extreeme, those cultures themselves... For none of these groups can agree as to which of themselves is the greatest of them all. <BR> <BR>There are many now who feel that the last world war will be a religious war, and it looks like we may be seeing the beginnings of the religious war. Which is a shame. <BR>[/quote] <BR> <BR>I enjoy your admittance of personal inclusion in the issues you so tried to pawn off onto others. Nobody is perfect, however, to the contrary, some choose to be just the opposite. It has been known for some time now that universal balance was thrown off due to a flaw in evident creation. <BR> <BR>Mankind inherited Free Will, yet the psychological constitution of one particular created species of mankind was discovered to have an unimpeachable aspect that was adverse in its attraction to that of another particular created species of mankind... a NEMESIS you might say. <BR> <BR>It was this nemesis, which still exists today, that destroyed that which the Creator originally created before the event known as the Big Bang. However, because of the universal balance that mandates the utter efficiency of the Creators own words, That which originally was meant to exist would surely be brought back into existance, naturally you might add. <BR> <BR>It is this nemesis that divides mankind, one under each of thier prevailing Gateway (AKA Arch-Angel), to await the fast approaching absolution of this universe of it's nemesis and the exodus of one of these peoples to another separate universe, to discover once and for all peace from this destructiveness that even the thoughts of each opposing race causes within this universe when directed against those opposite thier alignments.